Connectionists: ?==?utf-8?q? Annotated History of Modern AI and Deep Learning

[Li Zhaoping]

Dear Jonathan, thank you for your discussion.

A good scientist should also be objective.

Winston Churchill  played a big role in World War II, and then wrote the 
history
of the war.  He won Nobel prize in literature for his writings.

Zhaoping


On 27/01/2023 10:18, Jonathan Shapiro wrote:
> "I believe that good scientists are also good historians of science, or
> at least want to know what happened in the past in their field.
> Being a good scientist helps one to be a better historian, example:
> Abraham Pais, so the best historians of science
> must be good scientists."
>
> That is an interesting idea, Professor Zhaoping. But, doesn't a 
> historian need objectivity? When a scientist writes the history of the 
> science which they worked in and contributed to, there could be a 
> bias. Even when their contributions are many. There could be a 
> temptation to write their competitors out of the history or make 
> claims beyond what they had done. Maybe the best historians of science 
> understand the science, but whose contributions are to understanding 
> its history.
>
> Jonathan Shapiro
> Department of Computer Science
> University of Manchester
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> on behalf of Zhaoping Li <li.zhaoping at tuebingen.mpg.de>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 26, 2023 10:02 AM
> *To:* connectionists at mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu 
> <connectionists at mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu>
> *Subject:* Re: Connectionists: ?==?utf-8?q? Annotated History of 
> Modern AI and Deep Learning
> I believe that good scientists are also good historians of science, or
> at least want to know what happened in the past in their field.
> Being a good scientist helps one to be a better historian, example:
> Abraham Pais, so the best historians of science
> must be good scientists.
>
> I am interested in, and am very grateful to colleagues who help us to
> learn more about, the history of the field.
>
> Zhaoping
>
> --
> Li Zhaoping Ph.D.
> Prof. of Cognitive Science, University of Tuebingen
> Head of Dept of Sensory and Sensorimotor Systems,
> Max Planck Institute of Biological Cybernetics
> Author of "Understanding vision: theory, models, and data", Oxford 
> University Press, 2014
> www.lizhaoping.org <http://www.lizhaoping.org>
>
>
>
> On 1/25/23 21:06, Claudius Gros wrote:
> > It is actually interesting. In other fields, like physics,
> > there is a division of labor:
> >
> > - scientist, doing the heavy lifting, and
> > - historians, trying to figure out the history of the field.
> >
> > It is quite amusing, that this seems to be different in
> > machine learning. Some scientists want to be both!
> >
> > Claudius
> >
> >
> > On Wednesday, January 25, 2023 19:09 CET, Stephen José Hanson 
> <jose at rubic.rutgers.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> Well he mentions Legendre, Gauss and the Big Bang.. so no research 
> claims in those areas..
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/25/23 11:51, Richard Loosemore wrote:
> >>
> >> Please, somebody reassure me that this isn't just another attempt 
> to rewrite history so that Schmidhuber's lab invented almost everything.
> >>
> >> Because at first glance, that's what it looks like.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Stephen José Hanson
> >> Professor, Psychology Department
> >> Director, RUBIC (Rutgers University Brain Imaging Center)
> >> Member, Executive Committee, RUCCS
> >
> >
>

-- 
Li Zhaoping, Ph.D.
Prof. of Cognitive Science, University of Tuebingen
Head of Department of Sensory and Sensorimotor Systems,
Max Planck Institute for Biological Cybernetics
Author of "Understanding vision: theory, models, and data", Oxford University Press, 2014
www.lizhaoping.org
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