Connectionists: practopoiesis

[Juyang Weng]

On 5/30/14 5:01 PM, Danko Nikolic wrote:
> Dear John,
>
>   I just read your SASE paper to make a comparison to practopoiesis, 
> as you asked. Interesting paper. Nice work.
>
>   I like your succinct stile, formal and accurate. Your theorems make 
> it clear what you mean by awareness, etc.
>
>   Here is what I can conclude about "A theory of developmental 
> architecture" by Juyang Weng:
>
> Markov decision process is a T2-system. It does not make a difference 
> whether you have sensors that collect only outside information or you 
> also have sensors collecting internal information. It remains a T2 
> system. The same holds for actions. Internal actions do not change a 
> T2 into T3 either.
Then, you must have rigorous and precise definition so that you are not 
the only God to say T2 or T3.
If your work is scientific, your detailed, rigorous and precise 
definition but be able to be verified to be true or false by other 
researchers.
Otherwise, your work is religion like.

For example, in the above your writing, you do not say "why" SASE is T2 
this is necessary for a scientific work.

>
>   Therefore, according to practopoietic theory, your theory falls into 
> the category of T2-systems.
You do not seem to have a verifiable theory yet.   It appears to be 
religion like to me.
>
>   As you know, I laid out arguments that this is not enough to produce 
> intelligent adaptive behavior that matches biological behaving 
> systems. My suggestion would be to find ways to expand it into a T3.
Your arguments are too vague to be qualified as scientific work.  In 
religion, the God says "if you believe it, it is there.  Otherwise, it 
is not."

-John
> With best regards,
>
>
> Danko
>
>
>
>
> On May 28, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Juyang Weng wrote:
>
>> Danko, thank you for the links.  You might want to take a look at my 
>> Self-Aware and Self-Effecting (SASE)
>> architecture.  Your three-traverse idea has some similarity to it, 
>> but your theory is not (yet?) supported by fully computational detail
>> as SASE.
>>
>> -John
>>
>> On 5/28/14 6:58 PM, Danko Nikolic wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> I made an effort to make practopoiesis more approachable to a wider 
>>> audience:
>>>
>>>
>>> One: I wrote a short popular article on the implications of 
>>> practopoiesis for artificial intelligence:
>>>
>>> http://www.singularityweblog.com/practopoiesis/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Two: I made a list of the key concepts with a brief explanation of each:
>>>
>>> http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis#Concepts
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope that this will be helpful.
>>>
>>> With warm greetings from Germany,
>>>
>>> Danko Nikolic
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
>> Department of Computer Science and Engineering
>> MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
>> 428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
>> Michigan State University
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>> Email: weng at cse.msu.edu <mailto:weng at cse.msu.edu>
>> URL: http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/ <http://www.cse.msu.edu/%7Eweng/>
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Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824 USA
Tel: 517-353-4388
Fax: 517-432-1061
Email: weng at cse.msu.edu
URL: http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/
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