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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/30/14 5:01 PM, Danko Nikolic
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<div>Dear John,</div>
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<div> I just read your SASE paper to make a comparison to
practopoiesis, as you asked. Interesting paper. Nice work.</div>
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<div> I like your succinct stile, formal and accurate. Your
theorems make it clear what you mean by awareness, etc. </div>
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<div> Here is what I can conclude about "A theory of
developmental architecture" by Juyang Weng: </div>
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<div>Markov decision process is a T2-system. It does not make a
difference whether you have sensors that collect only outside
information or you also have sensors collecting internal
information. It remains a T2 system. The same holds for actions.
Internal actions do not change a T2 into T3 either.</div>
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Then, you must have rigorous and precise definition so that you are
not the only God to say T2 or T3.<br>
If your work is scientific, your detailed, rigorous and precise
definition but be able to be verified to be true or false by other
researchers.<br>
Otherwise, your work is religion like. <br>
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For example, in the above your writing, you do not say "why" SASE is
T2 this is necessary for a scientific work.<br>
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<div> Therefore, according to practopoietic theory, your theory
falls into the category of T2-systems.</div>
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You do not seem to have a verifiable theory yet. It appears to be
religion like to me.<br>
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<div> As you know, I laid out arguments that this is not enough
to produce intelligent adaptive behavior that matches biological
behaving systems. My suggestion would be to find ways to expand
it into a T3.</div>
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Your arguments are too vague to be qualified as scientific work. In
religion, the God says "if you believe it, it is there. Otherwise,
it is not."<br>
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<div>With best regards,</div>
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<div>Danko</div>
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<div>On May 28, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Juyang Weng wrote:</div>
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<div>Danko, thank you for the links. You might want to take a
look at my Self-Aware and Self-Effecting (SASE)<br>
architecture. Your three-traverse idea has some similarity
to it, but your theory is not (yet?) supported by fully
computational detail<br>
as SASE.<br>
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-John<br>
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On 5/28/14 6:58 PM, Danko Nikolic wrote:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">Dear all,<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I made an effort to make
practopoiesis more approachable to a wider audience:<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">One: I wrote a short popular article
on the implications of practopoiesis for artificial
intelligence:<br>
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href="http://www.singularityweblog.com/practopoiesis/">http://www.singularityweblog.com/practopoiesis/</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Two: I made a list of the key
concepts with a brief explanation of each:<br>
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href="http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis#Concepts">http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis#Concepts</a><br>
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<blockquote type="cite">I hope that this will be helpful.<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">With warm greetings from Germany,<br>
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<blockquote type="cite">Danko Nikolic<br>
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Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824 USA
Tel: 517-353-4388
Fax: 517-432-1061
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>
URL: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/">http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/</a>
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