From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Tue Dec 10 05:31:07 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:31:07 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 431]: Debugging the RavenClaw Dialog Management
	Module
Message-ID: <CADmGMvfvVvyybGpidM-dke-JXVXRhp6Lp-GQvsKiSYoNh7tTLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
     I've been playing with the available tutorials for Olympus. Lately,
I've been modifying the DialogTask.cpp file in the Tutorial1 2.5 branch.
When running the example, the Dialog Manager servers stops unexpectedly
after asking for the origin and destination places. Before the executable
encounters an error, the last output generated by the DM is the utterance
"Just a minute. Let me check that for you."
     After displaying this result on the TTYRecognitionServer, the MyBusDM
stops, and the TTYRecognitionServer falls into an endless loop repeating
the utterance "I'm sorry. I didn't understand you. Please repeat yourself."
When I tried to debug the code by placing break-points, that didn't work
too well as well.
     I would really appreciate if you could tell me how to debug the Dialog
Manager. That would be a great help! Please do post a reply.

NOTE: The error message displayed by the MyBusDM console in the
processmonitor.exe is as follows:

[FATAL_ERROR at 15:03:22.594 (11711)] Cannot perform conversion to
<CFrameConcept> new_result from string (dump below).
{                 departure_time
                   route
                   failed  1
                   arrival_time
} <file ../../../../Libraries/RavenClaw/DMCore/Concepts/FrameConcept.cpp,
line 353>

Aitzaz Ahmad
----------
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
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From mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu  Tue Dec 17 14:57:49 2013
From: mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Marge)
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:57:49 -0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 432]: Re: Debugging the RavenClaw Dialog
 Management Module
In-Reply-To: <CADmGMvfvVvyybGpidM-dke-JXVXRhp6Lp-GQvsKiSYoNh7tTLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvfvVvyybGpidM-dke-JXVXRhp6Lp-GQvsKiSYoNh7tTLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOGWWfdtd+bsW9oEQ6Di_CbfwFWKBUrbvVvyD1To1TV-Ybf5aA@mail.gmail.com>

The dialog task file is composed of a series of macros; a good way to
review what could be going wrong is to look at the RavenClaw logs
(dialog.log in your logs folder). It looks like there's something
wrong with how you're loading data into a frame concept. I think what
could be happening is that you're trying to load string data into a
frame concept. Only string concepts can bind to string data.

For more info on concepts in RavenClaw, do check out:
http://wiki.speech.cs.cmu.edu/olympus/index.php/Concepts_in_RavenClaw#Structured_concepts

Cheers,
Matt


On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
> Hi,
>      I've been playing with the available tutorials for Olympus. Lately,
> I've been modifying the DialogTask.cpp file in the Tutorial1 2.5 branch.
> When running the example, the Dialog Manager servers stops unexpectedly
> after asking for the origin and destination places. Before the executable
> encounters an error, the last output generated by the DM is the utterance
> "Just a minute. Let me check that for you."
>      After displaying this result on the TTYRecognitionServer, the MyBusDM
> stops, and the TTYRecognitionServer falls into an endless loop repeating the
> utterance "I'm sorry. I didn't understand you. Please repeat yourself." When
> I tried to debug the code by placing break-points, that didn't work too well
> as well.
>      I would really appreciate if you could tell me how to debug the Dialog
> Manager. That would be a great help! Please do post a reply.
>
> NOTE: The error message displayed by the MyBusDM console in the
> processmonitor.exe is as follows:
>
> [FATAL_ERROR at 15:03:22.594 (11711)] Cannot perform conversion to
> <CFrameConcept> new_result from string (dump below).
> {                 departure_time
>                    route
>                    failed  1
>                    arrival_time
> } <file ../../../../Libraries/RavenClaw/DMCore/Concepts/FrameConcept.cpp,
> line 353>
>
> Aitzaz Ahmad
> ----------
> "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
> and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)

From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Wed Dec 18 03:24:19 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 13:24:19 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 433]: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone unit
Message-ID: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
      I'm working at the Center for Language Engineering based in the
University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore, Pakistan. The research
facility is owned by Dr. Sarmad Hussain (PhD in Speech Science from
Northwestern University '92). We're working on a speech processing project
at center these days (Mobile based Weather Spoken Dialogue System in Urdu)
which led us to study and explore Olympus.

     Since we're developing our own ASR(using Sphinx 3) and TTS(using
Festival) for Urdu, an area of particular interest in Olympus is the
RavenClaw Dialogue Manager. I've been playing with the available tutorials
and have made a toy system in English as well. But now I've been asked to
plug out the Dialogue Manager component/module and to run it as a
stand-alone application (i.e. without the other modules including the
process monitor).

    What I want for now is to be able to run RavenClaw as a console based
stand-alone application without a GalaxyInterface and a Galaxy Hub. I've
read the document in the Documentation folder of Olympus as well to develop
some basic understanding as to how the DM works. When I tried to open the
RavenClaw Visual Studio project file from "2.5\Libraries\RavenClaw\Utils" I
got the following prompt:-

"The source control provider associated with this solution could not be
found. The projects will be treated as not under source control.

Do you want to permanently remove the source control bindings from the
projects?"

    I chose "No" as an option. When the visual studio opened the project
and I tried to open the DebugUtils.h,cpp files, I got another prompt saying
the visual studio cannot open these files. Whereas, opening the files
independently works just fine.

   I'd really appreciate your help and feedback or any guidance that you
might give so that I can run the system as a standalone application.

Regards,
Aitzaz Ahmad
----------
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
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From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Wed Dec 18 08:45:27 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:45:27 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 434]: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	application
Message-ID: <CADmGMvf4pJAuMvnfBcPcy_k337y-d6e=EynY3v+_6H4d8P+oNg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
     The document in the documentation folder of RavenClaw that comes with
Olympus says that the dialog manager can be run as a Galaxy Server (in
which case we need and use the GalaxyInterface files along with the GALAXY
pre-processor directive) and else-wise as well. I want to run it as a
stand-alone application i.e. not as a Galaxy Server. Can somebody please
tell me where to get the source code of RavenClaw as a stand-alone
application or how to make the appropriate changes to the files provided
with the Olympus code repository to achieve this. I'm very desperate at the
moment and I just can't figure out what to do and how to do it.

Aitzaz Ahmad
----------
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
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From mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu  Wed Dec 18 15:53:34 2013
From: mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Marge)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:53:34 -0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 435]: Re: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	application
In-Reply-To: <CADmGMvf4pJAuMvnfBcPcy_k337y-d6e=EynY3v+_6H4d8P+oNg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvf4pJAuMvnfBcPcy_k337y-d6e=EynY3v+_6H4d8P+oNg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOGWWfcp=RjFEkjFoFq1CCgxcqLfT-9A+zHB0exKrg7eG8APKg@mail.gmail.com>

RavenClaw's source code is here:
http://trac.speech.cs.cmu.edu/repos/olympus/branches/2.5/Libraries/RavenClaw/
If you've checked out Olympus 2.5, it's in the Libraries/RavenClaw
folder. Currently, RavenClaw is part of Olympus using the Galaxy
Communicator architecture, but you could use "stubs" for any
components you don't want to use. However, you will need some form of
input/output. You'll need to modify the configuration files in the
folder containing your program (for example, in tutorial 1, you would
need to modify http://trac.speech.cs.cmu.edu/repos/olympus/tutorials/Tutorial1/branches/2.5/Configurations/Desktop/startlist.config
to specify which programs should start up in the process monitor at
runtime).

If you want to use a different communication architecture, you're
going to need to look into the DMInterfaces/ folder, which has two
examples of how RavenClaw has been included with applications before
using communication libraries (namely Open Agent Architecture and our
preferred communication library, Galaxy). DMInterface.h indicates the
libraries to include based on whether OAA or Galaxy was used in the
past. I think you'll need to start here.

DMCore/DMBridge.cpp has the code responsible for forwarding messages
from RavenClaw to the Galaxy hub, but also had alternate code for OAA.
In general, you'll want to look for all places in the RavenClaw
project where it initiates Galaxy calls (i.e., look in the RavenClaw
project for all occurrences of "#ifdef GALAXY"). Other relevant files
include DMCoreAgent, InputManagerAgent, OutputManagerAgent, and so on.

The source code has all the expansions of the C++ macros you need to
use in the dialog task file when you actually build the dialog task
tree, along with the code for the dialog engine, which performs the
task tree traversal and grounding actions.

Cheers,
Matt


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 8:45 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
> Hi,
>      The document in the documentation folder of RavenClaw that comes with
> Olympus says that the dialog manager can be run as a Galaxy Server (in which
> case we need and use the GalaxyInterface files along with the GALAXY
> pre-processor directive) and else-wise as well. I want to run it as a
> stand-alone application i.e. not as a Galaxy Server. Can somebody please
> tell me where to get the source code of RavenClaw as a stand-alone
> application or how to make the appropriate changes to the files provided
> with the Olympus code repository to achieve this. I'm very desperate at the
> moment and I just can't figure out what to do and how to do it.
>
> Aitzaz Ahmad
> ----------
> "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
> and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)

From mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu  Wed Dec 18 17:01:47 2013
From: mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Marge)
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 17:01:47 -0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 436]: Re: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	unit
In-Reply-To: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOGWWfeAc3OwSzxv=kA0E=XFJUsMwH2tVkhp2C4FbfCpKkgKgg@mail.gmail.com>

If you built Olympus 2.5 correctly, the Olympus solution file will be
here: Olympus2.5\Build\cmake\Olympus.sln, which is a VS 2010 solution
file that shows the RavenClaw project in Visual Studio. CMake should
automatically generate this solution file.

Cheers,
Matt

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
> Hi,
>       I'm working at the Center for Language Engineering based in the
> University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore, Pakistan. The research
> facility is owned by Dr. Sarmad Hussain (PhD in Speech Science from
> Northwestern University '92). We're working on a speech processing project
> at center these days (Mobile based Weather Spoken Dialogue System in Urdu)
> which led us to study and explore Olympus.
>
>      Since we're developing our own ASR(using Sphinx 3) and TTS(using
> Festival) for Urdu, an area of particular interest in Olympus is the
> RavenClaw Dialogue Manager. I've been playing with the available tutorials
> and have made a toy system in English as well. But now I've been asked to
> plug out the Dialogue Manager component/module and to run it as a
> stand-alone application (i.e. without the other modules including the
> process monitor).
>
>     What I want for now is to be able to run RavenClaw as a console based
> stand-alone application without a GalaxyInterface and a Galaxy Hub. I've
> read the document in the Documentation folder of Olympus as well to develop
> some basic understanding as to how the DM works. When I tried to open the
> RavenClaw Visual Studio project file from "2.5\Libraries\RavenClaw\Utils" I
> got the following prompt:-
>
> "The source control provider associated with this solution could not be
> found. The projects will be treated as not under source control.
>
> Do you want to permanently remove the source control bindings from the
> projects?"
>
>     I chose "No" as an option. When the visual studio opened the project and
> I tried to open the DebugUtils.h,cpp files, I got another prompt saying the
> visual studio cannot open these files. Whereas, opening the files
> independently works just fine.
>
>    I'd really appreciate your help and feedback or any guidance that you
> might give so that I can run the system as a standalone application.
>
> Regards,
> Aitzaz Ahmad
> ----------
> "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
> and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)

From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Wed Dec 18 22:41:18 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 08:41:18 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 437]: Re: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	unit
In-Reply-To: <CAOGWWfeAc3OwSzxv=kA0E=XFJUsMwH2tVkhp2C4FbfCpKkgKgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOGWWfeAc3OwSzxv=kA0E=XFJUsMwH2tVkhp2C4FbfCpKkgKgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmGMvetQkES6SY8NKJ-f-y9p09tKkzB0FeZoOjkgnv+qMa=NQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Matthew. But wouldn't that be the solution file that has all the
Olympus projects? What if I want RavenClaw by itself (just RavenClaw and
not the other parts)?

Aitzaz Ahmad
----------
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)


On 19 December 2013 03:01, Matthew Marge <mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

> If you built Olympus 2.5 correctly, the Olympus solution file will be
> here: Olympus2.5\Build\cmake\Olympus.sln, which is a VS 2010 solution
> file that shows the RavenClaw project in Visual Studio. CMake should
> automatically generate this solution file.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk>
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >       I'm working at the Center for Language Engineering based in the
> > University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore, Pakistan. The research
> > facility is owned by Dr. Sarmad Hussain (PhD in Speech Science from
> > Northwestern University '92). We're working on a speech processing
> project
> > at center these days (Mobile based Weather Spoken Dialogue System in
> Urdu)
> > which led us to study and explore Olympus.
> >
> >      Since we're developing our own ASR(using Sphinx 3) and TTS(using
> > Festival) for Urdu, an area of particular interest in Olympus is the
> > RavenClaw Dialogue Manager. I've been playing with the available
> tutorials
> > and have made a toy system in English as well. But now I've been asked to
> > plug out the Dialogue Manager component/module and to run it as a
> > stand-alone application (i.e. without the other modules including the
> > process monitor).
> >
> >     What I want for now is to be able to run RavenClaw as a console based
> > stand-alone application without a GalaxyInterface and a Galaxy Hub. I've
> > read the document in the Documentation folder of Olympus as well to
> develop
> > some basic understanding as to how the DM works. When I tried to open the
> > RavenClaw Visual Studio project file from
> "2.5\Libraries\RavenClaw\Utils" I
> > got the following prompt:-
> >
> > "The source control provider associated with this solution could not be
> > found. The projects will be treated as not under source control.
> >
> > Do you want to permanently remove the source control bindings from the
> > projects?"
> >
> >     I chose "No" as an option. When the visual studio opened the project
> and
> > I tried to open the DebugUtils.h,cpp files, I got another prompt saying
> the
> > visual studio cannot open these files. Whereas, opening the files
> > independently works just fine.
> >
> >    I'd really appreciate your help and feedback or any guidance that you
> > might give so that I can run the system as a standalone application.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Aitzaz Ahmad
> > ----------
> > "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans
> > and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
>
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From mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu  Thu Dec 19 11:31:17 2013
From: mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu (Matthew Marge)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 11:31:17 -0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 438]: Re: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	unit
In-Reply-To: <CADmGMvetQkES6SY8NKJ-f-y9p09tKkzB0FeZoOjkgnv+qMa=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOGWWfeAc3OwSzxv=kA0E=XFJUsMwH2tVkhp2C4FbfCpKkgKgg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADmGMvetQkES6SY8NKJ-f-y9p09tKkzB0FeZoOjkgnv+qMa=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOGWWfcruK0=PQq3ZVVvKqu5-7XcKVJinF4f9q--M5sbiv-Pcg@mail.gmail.com>

One option is to backup the current solution file and remove all
projects from the Olympus.sln file that are not dependencies to
RavenClaw. Note that libGalaxy is currently a dependency to the
RavenClaw project because RavenClaw uses the Galaxy communication
framework to send messages to other components.

When you complete a project using Olympus, it compiles a library
"RavenClaw.lib" and an executable "XYZDM.exe" where XYZ is the name of
your dialog task file. You can find these files in the bin/x86-nt
folders of your Olympus folder and your project folder, respectively.
The executable runs in the process monitor and does not function
independently in the Olympus framework currently. I think easiest
solution would be to use Galaxy, keep the current framework, and plug
in your own components for natural language understanding, ASR, and
synthesis.

Cheers,
Matt

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
> Thanks Matthew. But wouldn't that be the solution file that has all the
> Olympus projects? What if I want RavenClaw by itself (just RavenClaw and not
> the other parts)?
>
> Aitzaz Ahmad
> ----------
> "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
> and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
>
>
> On 19 December 2013 03:01, Matthew Marge <mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
>>
>> If you built Olympus 2.5 correctly, the Olympus solution file will be
>> here: Olympus2.5\Build\cmake\Olympus.sln, which is a VS 2010 solution
>> file that shows the RavenClaw project in Visual Studio. CMake should
>> automatically generate this solution file.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >       I'm working at the Center for Language Engineering based in the
>> > University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore, Pakistan. The research
>> > facility is owned by Dr. Sarmad Hussain (PhD in Speech Science from
>> > Northwestern University '92). We're working on a speech processing
>> > project
>> > at center these days (Mobile based Weather Spoken Dialogue System in
>> > Urdu)
>> > which led us to study and explore Olympus.
>> >
>> >      Since we're developing our own ASR(using Sphinx 3) and TTS(using
>> > Festival) for Urdu, an area of particular interest in Olympus is the
>> > RavenClaw Dialogue Manager. I've been playing with the available
>> > tutorials
>> > and have made a toy system in English as well. But now I've been asked
>> > to
>> > plug out the Dialogue Manager component/module and to run it as a
>> > stand-alone application (i.e. without the other modules including the
>> > process monitor).
>> >
>> >     What I want for now is to be able to run RavenClaw as a console
>> > based
>> > stand-alone application without a GalaxyInterface and a Galaxy Hub. I've
>> > read the document in the Documentation folder of Olympus as well to
>> > develop
>> > some basic understanding as to how the DM works. When I tried to open
>> > the
>> > RavenClaw Visual Studio project file from
>> > "2.5\Libraries\RavenClaw\Utils" I
>> > got the following prompt:-
>> >
>> > "The source control provider associated with this solution could not be
>> > found. The projects will be treated as not under source control.
>> >
>> > Do you want to permanently remove the source control bindings from the
>> > projects?"
>> >
>> >     I chose "No" as an option. When the visual studio opened the project
>> > and
>> > I tried to open the DebugUtils.h,cpp files, I got another prompt saying
>> > the
>> > visual studio cannot open these files. Whereas, opening the files
>> > independently works just fine.
>> >
>> >    I'd really appreciate your help and feedback or any guidance that you
>> > might give so that I can run the system as a standalone application.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Aitzaz Ahmad
>> > ----------
>> > "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
>> > beans
>> > and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
>
>

From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Thu Dec 19 11:54:18 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 21:54:18 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 439]: Re: Running RavenClaw as a stand-alone
	unit
In-Reply-To: <CAOGWWfcruK0=PQq3ZVVvKqu5-7XcKVJinF4f9q--M5sbiv-Pcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADmGMvdNNCM6mzoGx5ep+r8Z0Ae-POrCQWkska-cV0+61jSttQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOGWWfeAc3OwSzxv=kA0E=XFJUsMwH2tVkhp2C4FbfCpKkgKgg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADmGMvetQkES6SY8NKJ-f-y9p09tKkzB0FeZoOjkgnv+qMa=NQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOGWWfcruK0=PQq3ZVVvKqu5-7XcKVJinF4f9q--M5sbiv-Pcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADmGMveb50b25251X2L+FS++mopWJgscCT0fsEWuAxZHezTXkA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks a lot Matt!

Aitzaz Ahmad
----------
"A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans
and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)


On 19 December 2013 21:31, Matthew Marge <mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu> wrote:

> One option is to backup the current solution file and remove all
> projects from the Olympus.sln file that are not dependencies to
> RavenClaw. Note that libGalaxy is currently a dependency to the
> RavenClaw project because RavenClaw uses the Galaxy communication
> framework to send messages to other components.
>
> When you complete a project using Olympus, it compiles a library
> "RavenClaw.lib" and an executable "XYZDM.exe" where XYZ is the name of
> your dialog task file. You can find these files in the bin/x86-nt
> folders of your Olympus folder and your project folder, respectively.
> The executable runs in the process monitor and does not function
> independently in the Olympus framework currently. I think easiest
> solution would be to use Galaxy, keep the current framework, and plug
> in your own components for natural language understanding, ASR, and
> synthesis.
>
> Cheers,
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:41 PM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk>
> wrote:
> > Thanks Matthew. But wouldn't that be the solution file that has all the
> > Olympus projects? What if I want RavenClaw by itself (just RavenClaw and
> not
> > the other parts)?
> >
> > Aitzaz Ahmad
> > ----------
> > "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> beans
> > and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
> >
> >
> > On 19 December 2013 03:01, Matthew Marge <mrmarge at cs.cmu.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you built Olympus 2.5 correctly, the Olympus solution file will be
> >> here: Olympus2.5\Build\cmake\Olympus.sln, which is a VS 2010 solution
> >> file that shows the RavenClaw project in Visual Studio. CMake should
> >> automatically generate this solution file.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Matt
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 3:24 AM, Aitzaz Ahmad <aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk
> >
> >> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >       I'm working at the Center for Language Engineering based in the
> >> > University of Engineering and Technology, Lahore, Pakistan. The
> research
> >> > facility is owned by Dr. Sarmad Hussain (PhD in Speech Science from
> >> > Northwestern University '92). We're working on a speech processing
> >> > project
> >> > at center these days (Mobile based Weather Spoken Dialogue System in
> >> > Urdu)
> >> > which led us to study and explore Olympus.
> >> >
> >> >      Since we're developing our own ASR(using Sphinx 3) and TTS(using
> >> > Festival) for Urdu, an area of particular interest in Olympus is the
> >> > RavenClaw Dialogue Manager. I've been playing with the available
> >> > tutorials
> >> > and have made a toy system in English as well. But now I've been asked
> >> > to
> >> > plug out the Dialogue Manager component/module and to run it as a
> >> > stand-alone application (i.e. without the other modules including the
> >> > process monitor).
> >> >
> >> >     What I want for now is to be able to run RavenClaw as a console
> >> > based
> >> > stand-alone application without a GalaxyInterface and a Galaxy Hub.
> I've
> >> > read the document in the Documentation folder of Olympus as well to
> >> > develop
> >> > some basic understanding as to how the DM works. When I tried to open
> >> > the
> >> > RavenClaw Visual Studio project file from
> >> > "2.5\Libraries\RavenClaw\Utils" I
> >> > got the following prompt:-
> >> >
> >> > "The source control provider associated with this solution could not
> be
> >> > found. The projects will be treated as not under source control.
> >> >
> >> > Do you want to permanently remove the source control bindings from the
> >> > projects?"
> >> >
> >> >     I chose "No" as an option. When the visual studio opened the
> project
> >> > and
> >> > I tried to open the DebugUtils.h,cpp files, I got another prompt
> saying
> >> > the
> >> > visual studio cannot open these files. Whereas, opening the files
> >> > independently works just fine.
> >> >
> >> >    I'd really appreciate your help and feedback or any guidance that
> you
> >> > might give so that I can run the system as a standalone application.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Aitzaz Ahmad
> >> > ----------
> >> > "A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava
> >> > beans
> >> > and a nice Chianti." Dr. Hannibal Lecter - Silence of the Lambs (1991)
> >
> >
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From aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk  Tue Dec 31 02:03:34 2013
From: aitzaz.ahmad at kics.edu.pk (Aitzaz Ahmad)
Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 12:03:34 +0500
Subject: [Olympus developers 440]: Questions regarding the core agents in
	RavenClaw's DM Core
Message-ID: <CADmGMvf0=-eHqtpd21JiftpdiXiaJdR0SxhVrwT6-U1VMwwzHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

     The documentation available on RavenClaw in that comes with the code
is  outdated. I've gone through the document itself and there are some
sections totally missing and there are others that need to be updated.
According to the document, the DM Core has six core agents: DMCore Agent,
Input Manager Agent, Output Manager Agent, Galaxy Stub Agent, DTT Manager
Agent, and the State Manager Agent. The document doesn't say anything about
the Output Manager Agent.

    When I checked the DMCore folder in the RavenClaw code, I found these 7
core agents instead: DMCore Agent, Output Manager Agent, DTT Manager Agent,
State Manager Agent, Grounding Manager Agent, Interaction Event Manager
Agent, and the Traffic Manager Agent.

    Now I can tell that the Traffic Manager Agent is the same agent that
was previously known as the Galaxy Stub Agent. I can also tell that the
Input Manager Agent has been refactored and is now the Interaction Event
Agent (this agent handles the input events and other interaction events as
well). But I can not make any sense out of the Grounding Manager Agent. I
don't have any clue as to what its role is (as a matter of fact, I don't
even know what grounding is!).

  My questions and concerns are listed below:

   1. What is grounding and what does the Grounding Manager Agent do?
   2. How does the Grounding Manager Agent interact with other modules?
   When is it called and who calls it? What operations does it perform?
   3. What is the purpose of the default output device in the Output
   Manager Agent?
   4. When the system has to generate a prompt, does the Output Manager
   Agent send the output to the NLG component only? (This means that the
   output from the dialog manager goes to the NLG, and it is the NLG component
   that sends the final utterance to the synthesizer for speech output. This
   is my understanding so far, please correct me if I' wrong.)
   5. Is the Traffic Manager Agent used for any other calls other than
   those made during the InputPass phase and the calls to a Back-end Agent?
   6. I haven't been able to spot the *process_parse* Galaxy Interface
   function in the code so far. The document says that this is the Galaxy
   Interface routine which is called by the Hub when it receives an input for
   the DM. Instead, all I saw was a *handle_event* routine in the Galaxy
   Interface code. The Hub.pgm file, however, lists both the routines
   distinctly. Where do I find the *process_parse* function?
   7. The documentation does not have an architectural diagram (the section
   is empty). I'm sure you must have some sort of documented form of the
   design of RavenClaw. I've asked for this thing before as well and I'm
   asking yet again; please if you have any form of design document or an
   architectural diagram please attach that in the response to this mail.

 Please do post a reply to these questions as they are critical to the
research work I'm doing.

Aitzaz Ahmad
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