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<p class="MsoNormal">Hava, you are not dead. Those statements of Marvin Minsky and Jerry Fodor reflect the bitterness of those days. I have also heard a connectionist call Marvin a “devil” in an acceptance speech for an award.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Asim Roy</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Professor, Information Systems</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Arizona State University</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="https://isearch.asu.edu/profile/9973" target="_blank">Asim Roy | iSearch (asu.edu)</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Hava Siegelmann <hava@umass.edu>
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 20, 2026 8:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Asim Roy <ASIM.ROY@asu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gary Marcus <gary.marcus@nyu.edu>; Stephen José Hanson <jose@rubic.rutgers.edu>; director@inc.ucsd.edu; connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Connectionists: FW: AI@50 videos...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is amazing I love it - dead !<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 20, 2026 at 8:30<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM Asim Roy <<a href="mailto:ASIM.ROY@asu.edu">ASIM.ROY@asu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">I had some communication with Marvin Minsky and Jerry Fodor years ago. Here are two quotes from them:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">1. Marvin Minsky: "<span style="color:black;background:yellow">Don’t pay any attention to the critics. Don’t even ignore them</span>.”
-By Sam Goldwyn</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">2. Jerry Fodor: “<span style="color:black;background:yellow">Arguing with Connectionists is like arguing with zombies; both are
dead, but neither has noticed it</span>.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">And here’s a note from a neuroscience pioneer Horace Barlow, Darwin’s great-grandson (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horace_Barlow" target="_blank">Horace
Barlow - Wikipedia</a>), winner of many neuroscience prizes. Without his pioneering work poking into frog brains with microelectrodes, we would NOT have AI as we see it today. The grandmother cell theory essentially points to where cognition exists in an abstract
form. And there is plenty of neurophysiological evidence for such single cell abstractions, starting with line orientation cells.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#050505">Dear Asim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#050505">Yes, I would like to join your group, though I would (again) like to make it clear that the grandmother cell theory is not mine, though I still hold that something conforming amazingly well to
what was conceptualised by Jerry Lettvin 50 years ago, really does exist!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#050505">I am still actively interested in the topic, and have just sent off the final proofs of an essay bearing on it. I shall send you a copy of the final proof as soon as I am allowed to circulate it,
and of course the more widely discussed it is the better pleased I shall be, though I fear that
<span style="background:yellow">what I have written will not be universally accepted, at least at first</span>!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:#050505">Horace</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Foundation Bios: Professor Asim Roy</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Connectionists <<a href="mailto:connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu" target="_blank">connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gary Marcus<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 19, 2026 11:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stephen José Hanson <<a href="mailto:jose@rubic.rutgers.edu" target="_blank">jose@rubic.rutgers.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:director@inc.ucsd.edu" target="_blank">director@inc.ucsd.edu</a>;
<a href="mailto:connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu" target="_blank">connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Connectionists: FW: AI@50 videos...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">yep: neural networks ascended, pushed symbols out of the way, and then symbols came back relabeled as harnesses, loops code interpreters, and tools.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">neurosymbolic AI, the hybrid of the two approaches, clearly beat either of the two alternatives on their own.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">claude code, biggest recent advance, shows that pretty clearly, when you look under the hood.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Aug 19, 2026, at 10:16<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>AM, Stephen José Hanson <<a href="mailto:jose@rubic.rutgers.edu" target="_blank">jose@rubic.rutgers.edu</a>>
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<p>Yes, historically this was an important meeting --and indeed the term AI was coined by John McCarthy who with several others put together the 1955 meeting; McCarthy also invented LISP after this meeting. Part of the AI meeting at DM was political. McCarthy
deliberately chose "Artificial Intelligence" partly to distance the new effort from Wiener's cybernetics and the neural network tradition. Which was thematic in the MACY meetings.. which ended in 1953--2 years before the "AI" meeting. McCarthy wanted to stake
out a separate field with a symbolic/logical emphasis (in contrast to McCulloch and Pitts). So the naming wasn't just descriptive; it was a bit of a territorial move that arguably sidelined neural networks for decades until the connectionist revival in the
1980s (sorry Juergen). And the more recent revolution associated with DL and LLMs more specifically. In the 1970s, this fueled the long term debate in Cognitive Science on Symbols/Rules vs Vectors/NN. <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Well at least we know how that turned out.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On 8/17/26 13:30, Terry Sejnowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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I was there and gave a talk, the only one on neural networks. I learned a lot from the other speakers.<br>
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I just listened to the questions at the end of my talk. I pretty much predicted what was going to happen in AI and thought it would take 50 years. I was wrong, it took less than 20 years.<br>
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One of the questions at the end was about intelligent aliens who appear and don't have human brains.<br>
This was a set piece in my recent book on ChatGPT and the Future of AI, where ChatGPT is the alien.<br>
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I gave my version of that meeting in my first book on the Deep Learning Revolution. Every talk that reported progress did so because they had enough data to analyze, including Gene Charniak who was trying to parse sentences and Takeo Kanade working on computer
vision (These two talks are not included in the list). At the end Marvin Minsky accused them for just working on applications, not real AI.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In case you did not see this: Some amazing lectures and (now historical) perspectives… the most interesting parts are when they tried and predicted the future of AI!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="mailto:connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu" target="_blank"><connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu></a>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>George Cybenko<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 17, 2026 6:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu" target="_blank">
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<b>Subject:</b> Connectionists: AI@50 videos...</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In 2006, we held a 50th anniversary conference at Dartmouth to commemorate<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">the historic 1956 meeting that coined the term "artificial intelligence." At that time,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">five of the surviving original participants attended. Today they are all gone.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I just recently posted videos of the talks from the AI@50 meeting at<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">INobody foresaw what is happening in AI today and in fact,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">there were several digs against neural networks etc. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Enjoy!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Director, BINDS Lab (Biologically Inspired Neural Dynamical Systems)<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Dept. of Computer Science<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Core member, Program of Neuroscience and Behavior<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">University of Massachusetts Amherst<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Amherst, MA, 01003<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">Phone: 413-540-6826<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span style="font-family:"Comic Sans MS"">LAB WEBSITE: <a href="http://binds.cs.umass.edu/" target="_blank">http://binds.cs.umass.edu/</a></span><o:p></o:p></pre>
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