<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Deeply disappointing that someone would try to inject actual empirical evidence into this discussion. 😂</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 20, 2024, at 08:41, Laurent Mertens <laurent.mertens@kuleuven.be> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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correspondence to the symbol."</span></div>
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What about the Grandmother/Jennifer Aniston/Halle Berry neuron?</div>
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<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.caltech.edu_about_news_single-2Dcell-2Drecognition-2Dhalle-2Dberry-2Dbrain-2Dcell-2D1013&d=DwMFAw&c=slrrB7dE8n7gBJbeO0g-IQ&r=wQR1NePCSj6dOGDD0r6B5Kn1fcNaTMg7tARe7TdEDqQ&m=it3XOFrc2yBru1bmF9dud4UoT60mjmur8mR3zGu365JPKmtWSuFnJTxRJOV4WSpa&s=kh-rqxQw6qcxbM8bhUYTHNaJHN5jtc3SLI5RXC5XgWA&e=">
https://www.caltech.edu/about/news/single-cell-recognition-halle-berry-brain-cell-1013</a>)</span></div>
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KR,</div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="divRplyFwdMsg"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Connectionists <connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu> on behalf of Weng, Juyang <weng@msu.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024 11:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Arbib <arbib@usc.edu>; connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu <connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Connectionists: Early history of symbolic and neural network approaches to AI</span>
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Dear Michael,</div>
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I have my Conscious Learning (DN-3) model that tells me:<br>
My brain "deals with symbols" that are sensed from the extra-body world by the brain's sensors and effecters.</div>
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However, inside the skull of my brain, there are not any neurons that have a one-to-one correspondence to the symbol. In this sense, the brain does not have any symbol in the skull.</div>
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This is my educated hypothesis. The DN-3 brain does not need any symbol inside the skull.</div>
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In this sense, almost all neural network models are flawed about the brain, as long as they have a block diagram where each block corresponds to a function concept in the extra-body world. I am sorry to say that, which may make many enemies. </div>
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Best regards,</div>
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-John </div>
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<div dir="ltr" id="x_divRplyFwdMsg"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Michael Arbib <arbib@usc.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024 1:28 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Weng, Juyang <weng@msu.edu>; connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu <connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Connectionists: Early history of symbolic and neural network approaches to AI</span>
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So you believe that, as you wrote out these words, the neural networks in your brain did not deal with symbols?</p>
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<b>From:</b> Connectionists <connectionists-bounces@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Weng, Juyang<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, February 19, 2024 8:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Connectionists: Early history of symbolic and neural network approaches to AI</p>
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<span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;">I do not agree with
</span><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black; background-color: white;">Newell and Simon</span><span style="font-family: Aptos, sans-serif; font-size: 12pt; color: black;"> if they wrote that. Otherwise, images and video
are also symbols. They probably were not sophisticated enough in 1976 to realize why neural networks in the brain should not contain or deal with symbols.</span></p>
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