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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">You’re right, David.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I should have said “</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Back in Alan Turing’s time when the possibility of AI
meant the possibility of symbolic AI, ….”</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’m not sure how my argument was bolstered by that “revisionist history.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> poole <poole@cs.ubc.ca>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 17, 2024 2:24 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> David H Kirshner <dkirsh@lsu.edu><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Gary Marcus <gary.marcus@nyu.edu>; Iam Palatnik <iam.palat@gmail.com>; connectionists@mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Connectionists: ChatGPT’s “understanding” of maps and infographics<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Feb 15, 2024, at 8:17 AM, David H Kirshner <<a href="mailto:dkirsh@lsu.edu">dkirsh@lsu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It’s nice to create a revisionist history to bolster an argument, but…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Back in Alan Turing's time AI did not exist. Symbolic or neural. Turing’s paper is quite readable and anticilpates many of the issues still discussed. It can be found here:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif"><a href="https://academic.oup.com/mind/article/LIX/236/433/986238?login=false"><span style="color:#272727;text-decoration:none">I.—COMPUTING MACHINERY AND INTELLIGENCE</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">——<br>
David Poole, <br>
Department of Computer Science, <br>
University of British Columbia, <br>
<a href="https://cs.ubc.ca/~poole">https://cs.ubc.ca/~poole</a><br>
<a href="mailto:poole@cs.ubc.ca">poole@cs.ubc.ca</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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