<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div dir="ltr"></div><div dir="ltr">Of course not. But you can ask them to stop misrepresenting you behind your back.</div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Feb 12, 2024, at 08:29, Hava Siegelmann <hava@umass.edu> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">Guys, please don't get that upset. You cannot force a person to appear with you on a stage - for either debate or anything else. Two cents from a lady.<div></div><div>PS: I am not sure that either of us can prove to be totally correct about it. Want to debate on it? :-)</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 12, 2024 at 3:49 PM Levine, Daniel S <<a href="mailto:levine@uta.edu">levine@uta.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<b>To:</b> Geoffrey Hinton <<a href="mailto:geoffrey.hinton@gmail.com" target="_blank">geoffrey.hinton@gmail.com</a>><br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: Connectionists: An open letter to Geoffrey Hinton: A call for civilized, moderated debate</font>
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<div dir="ltr">More seriously, it is sad that we can’t have an intelligent, moderated discussion. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 8:14 AM Gary Marcus <<a href="mailto:gary.marcus@nyu.edu" target="_blank">gary.marcus@nyu.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
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Dear Geoff, <br>
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Please stop taking potshots. Face me. <br>
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You say I am irrelevant, yet you attack (and misrepresent) me regularly in your talks, including both this morning at The Vector Institute, and your “just weights” riff in the Fall. On your web page, you have more mentions of me than Yann LeCun. (What greater
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To make it easy for you, I will come to Toronto, on your home turf. (Perhaps Vector Institute and Web Summit could co-host).
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We will get a neutral moderator, and a huge audience. And we can fight together for the things we are actually both concerned about, around AI safety, and make a huge statement by doing so.<br>
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The world will learn from the debate—and also from our overlap. It will be win-win for the world.
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<font color="#cc0000">Hava T. Siegelmann, Ph.D.</font>
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