<html><head></head><body><div class="yahoo-style-wrap" style="font-family:courier new, courier, monaco, monospace, sans-serif;font-size:16px;"><div dir="ltr" data-setdir="false"><div class="ydp99c228b4pasted-link"><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">I have just joined the connectionist mailing list after some 10 years or so (1), because I realized some people here will push the LLM agenda even among people who are knowledgeable about neural networks, or should be.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Here is an example:</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><pre style="white-space: pre-wrap; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">His apple example sounded convincing, so I tested GPT on it:
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> Me: If I hold an apple in my hand and let it go what will happen?
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> GPT: The apple will fall to the ground due to the force of gravity.
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> Me: What about any such object?
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> GPT: Any object released from a person's hand will fall to the ground due to the
> force of gravity.
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> Me: What would happen if there wasn't a force of gravity?
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> GPT: If there were no force of gravity, objects would not be able to stay on
> the ground and would float away in all directions
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> Chomsky defined thinking by the correct answers to these questions.</pre></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Of course the person who posted this seems slightly underpowered intellectually. (The apple would not fall. How would it get to the ground? It needs to be on the ground before it is unable to stay there. The system did not follow the conversation, it just popped out a new stored item.) I am a former linguist myself. Now a 92 year old man understands this better than most others buying into the hype.<br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">It is a fact that we have a system which scraped lots of text from all kinds of sources and now reproduces it. This is a text generating (text glueing) system, but certainly not a language model of any kind. And I would predict it is useless. <br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">I put together a few loose remarks in support of Chomsky, naming real issues, on researchgate (2). In general, it seems very clear to me that one way to build better AI is to use real neuron based models (3). Other approaches may deviate from the brain-based model altogether. LLMs are a dead-end, but they were expensive and they will be deployed regardless. I can imagine only few legitimate uses for them.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"> Gabriele Scheler</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">-------------------------------</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">(1) Some of you may know that I had to report Sejnowski to the FBI for repeatedly breaking into my house and drugging me. I ended up in hospital. <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365925517_NIPS_NeurIPS_and_Neuroscience_A_personal_historical_perspective" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365925517_NIPS_NeurIPS_and_Neuroscience_A_personal_historical_perspective&source=gmail&ust=1678720199961000&usg=AOvVaw2aOUh9ff0QDk4aG7AZKUff" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/365925517_NIPS_NeurIPS_and_Neuroscience_A_personal_historical_perspective</a> Obviously he hasn't been convicted yet, I deplore that.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">Chomsky himself, personally, was ready to listen to me, when I told him about the military connections of TS and his crimes. Few from the AI community have. And yes, ethics matter in science.</div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">(2) <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366567941_Topics_for_a_biological_language_model" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366567941_Topics_for_a_biological_language_model&source=gmail&ust=1678720199961000&usg=AOvVaw1akw-x94Fp-y8Dr37eilgu" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/366567941_Topics_for_a_biological_language_model</a></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">(3) <a href="https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361118319_Sketch_of_a_novel_approach_to_a_neural_model" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361118319_Sketch_of_a_novel_approach_to_a_neural_model&source=gmail&ust=1678720199961000&usg=AOvVaw17rUopw15cdvUhobgxlU-y" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.researchgate.net/publication/361118319_Sketch_of_a_novel_approach_to_a_neural_model</a> (This paper is getting read: )</div><img src="https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0?ui=2&ik=2f3c00480f&attid=0.1&permmsgid=msg-a:r-5599685982897170115&th=186d65e8155d3e9e&view=fimg&fur=ip&sz=s0-l75-ft&attbid=ANGjdJ8i3fN5w-Q6Ra2gDpYGwzMKALJ4_ugk3MeuE86fAmbB2LHa71tU-x1MHaORCsuoC_0riayrxm1RZziyv4Zwa4Q_CfG0UF_l0LvHIe9PskjM75HycJb6D3jB_v4&disp=emb&realattid=ii_lf5iua6l0" alt="Screenshot 2023-03-12 155903.png" data-image-whitelisted="" class="ydp99c228b4CToWUd ydp99c228b4a6T" data-bit="iit" style="cursor: pointer; outline: 0px; color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small; margin-right: 0px; width: 311px; max-width: 577px;" data-inlineimagemanipulating="true" data-id="1678633913549" draggable="false"><br style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><br></div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;">--</div><div dir="ltr" data-smartmail="gmail_signature" style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: small;"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br><div style="text-align: right;"></div>Dr. Gabriele Scheler<br>Carl Correns Foundation for Mathematical Biology<div style="text-align: right;"></div>1030 Judson Dr<br>Mountain View, Ca. 94040 <br><a href="http://www.theoretical-biology.org/" data-saferedirecturl="https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.theoretical-biology.org&source=gmail&ust=1678720199961000&usg=AOvVaw11q6ZMlKNjR3jppiuDjD-f" style="color: rgb(17, 85, 204);" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.theoretical-biology.org</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><br></div></div></body></html>