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Dear Imad,<br>
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Fair comment, although I heard Jeurgen say much the same thing 14
years ago, at the AGI conference in 2009, so perhaps you can
forgive me for being a little weary of this tune...?<br>
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More *substantively* let me say that this field is such that many
ideas/algorithms/theories can be SEEN as variations on other
ideas/algorithms/theories, if you look at them from just the right
angle.<br>
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If I may add a tongue-in-cheek comment. I got into this field in
1981 (my first supervisor was John G. Taylor). By the time the
big explosion happened in 1985-7, I was already thinking far
beyond that paradigm. When thinking about what thesis to do, to
satisfy my Warwick Psych Dept overseers in 1989, I invented, on
paper, many of the ideas that later became Deep Learning. But
those struck me as tedious and ultimately irrelevant, because I
wanted to understand the whole system, not make pattern
association machines. This is NOT a claim that I invented
anything first, but it IS meant to convey the idea that to people
like me who come up with novel ideas all the time, but try to stay
focussed on what they consider the genuine prize, all this
fighting for a place in the history books seems pathetic.<br>
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There, that's my arrogant thought-for-the day. You can now safely
ignore me again.<br>
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Richard Loosemore<br>
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On 1/27/23 3:29 AM, Imad Khan wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Dear Richard,
<div>I find your comment a bit unwarranted. You could,
however, follow Gary Marcus' way to put forward critical
thoughts. I do not necessarily agree with Gary, but I agree
with his style. I am reproducing Gary's text below for your
convenience. Juergan is an elder of AI and deserves respect
(like all of us do). I did go to your website and you're
correct to say that AI systems are complex systems and an
integrated approach is needed to save another 20 years!</div>
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<div>Dr. M. Imad Khan</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 26 Jan 2023 at 04:41,
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Please, somebody reassure me that this isn't just another
attempt to <br>
rewrite history so that Schmidhuber's lab invented almost
everything.<br>
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Because at first glance, that's what it looks like.<br>
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Richard<br>
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