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<p><font size="+1"><font face="monospace">nice Michael, seems a reasonable account,
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="monospace">you may not recall.. (first, my name is actually Steve--but no matter).. but I was at Rutgers (30 years ago) with our friend Jerry Fodor at a Cog Sci conference or workshop on Cog Sci(?) in any case, Jerry was making
his usual claims about concepts and their nativist origins (arguing from conceptual complexity).. you stopped him, incredulous at some point.. and said.. " Jerry, are you really saying like cars, or phones are somehow nativist concepts--that are somehow in
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<p><font size="+1"><font face="monospace">And he thought for a moment and said "Yes, the little triangular black bakelite ones".</font></font></p>
<p><font size="+1"><font face="monospace">Steve<br>
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33);color:rgb(33, 33, 33)">Dear Jose, Gary, and and Geoff</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33,
33);color:rgb(33, 33, 33)"> Since</span><span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33);color:rgb(33, 33,
33);display:inline !important"> the publication of "the handbook of brain theory
and neural networks" in 2003, I have focused on language origins and architecture and have not kept track of either the theory or practice of the recent explosive developments in AI.</span>
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<span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33);color:rgb(33, 33,
33);display:inline !important">Nonetheless, I would like to rise to Gary’s challenge offered by the cartoon shown below, and suggest</span><span style="font-size: inherit;
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understanding it is within, or nearly within, the power of current AI.</span>
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<span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33);color:rgb(33, 33,
33);display:inline !important">First, an observation: I assert (without any empirical data other than a survey of ten friends) that the vast majority of English-speaking humans would
fail to see the humor in this cartoon. They would not have heard of Schrodinger‘s cat and, if asked to define quantum mechanics, might reply with the question "someone who fixes condoms?“ [Apologies. That was Apple's transcription of my spoken <span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33,
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who fixes<span class="Apple-converted-space"> quantums?"</span></span></span>
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<span style="caret-color:rgb(33, 33, 33);color:rgb(33, 33,
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<li style="font-size:inherit"><span><span style="caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33); color: rgb(33,
33, 33); font-size: inherit;">Triggered by recognizing this is a cartoon: A system that employs a theory of humor – perhaps as simple as the bi-association
of Arthur Koestler's "the act of creation" - to recognize that a joke is the bringing together of two different frames into collision. A similar system could operate within language at the level of puns, but here we need two separate systems: </span></span></li><li style="font-size:inherit"><span style="font-size:
inherit; caret-color: rgb(33, 33, 33); color: rgb(33,
33, 33);">A language recognition system that could parse the caption and use the words Schrodinger and cat to retrieve
the Wikipedia article and summarize it as "a thought experiment by Schrodinger to demonstrate the role of the observer in quantum mechanics in which a cat in a box is neither dead nor alive, but will become one of these when the box is opened."</span></li><li style="font-size:inherit"><span style="caret-color:
rgb(33, 33, 33); color: rgb(33, 33, 33); font-size:
inherit;">A vision system that will recognize the picture as being a scene set in a veterinary office. The language
system can then interpret good news and bad news in context.</span></li></ol>
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33);color:rgb(33, 33, 33);display:inline !important">Between them the three systems will rapidly recognize the joke that a cat-owning Mr. Schrodinger in a veterinary office is receiving an opinion
that ties in with the thought experiment of the physicist Schrodinger.</span>
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size: inherit;">... How general is the ability? Is it a handful of paraphrases of jokes in vast memorized database? Would it extend to other kinds of jokes? Could it (or related models like Gato, with visual input) explain this
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