<div dir="ltr">... the avoiding sun part is not the key, but disliking it consciously as human might be.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 12:20 PM Iam Palatnik <<a href="mailto:iam.palat@gmail.com">iam.palat@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>A somewhat related question, just out of curiosity.</div><div><br></div><div>Imagine the following:</div><div><br></div><div></div><div>- An automatic solar panel that tracks the position of the sun.<br></div><div><div>- A group of single celled microbes with phototaxis that follow the sunlight.</div><div>- A jellyfish (animal without a brain) that follows/avoids the sunlight.</div><div>
- A cockroach (animal with a brain) that avoids the sunlight.</div><div>- A drone with onboard AI that flies to regions of more intense sunlight to recharge its batteries.<br></div><div>- A human that dislikes sunlight and actively avoids it.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Can any of these, beside the human, be said to be aware or conscious of the sunlight, and why?</div><div>What is most relevant? Being a biological life form, having a brain, being able to make decisions based on the environment? Being taxonomically close to humans?<br></div><div><br></div><div><br>
</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Feb 14, 2022 at 12:06 PM Gary Marcus <<a href="mailto:gary.marcus@nyu.edu" target="_blank">gary.marcus@nyu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Also true: Many AI researchers are very unclear about what consciousness is and also very sure that ELIZA doesn’t have it.<br>
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Neither ELIZA nor GPT-3 have<br>
- anything remotely related to embodiment<br>
- any capacity to reflect upon themselves<br>
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Hypothesis: neither keyword matching nor tensor manipulation, even at scale, suffice in themselves to qualify for consciousness.<br>
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- Gary<br>
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> On Feb 14, 2022, at 00:24, Geoffrey Hinton <<a href="mailto:geoffrey.hinton@gmail.com" target="_blank">geoffrey.hinton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Many AI researchers are very unclear about what consciousness is and also very sure that GPT-3 doesn’t have it. It’s a strange combination.<br>
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