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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Dear Brian,<br>
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I agree. I think that practopoietic theory gives a general
answer why it is so. Why general intelligence does not require a
specific type of sensory information? The answer is that the
mechanisms of generating intelligent adaptive behavior are the
ones that have the control over how we use the sensory inputs--not
the other way around. <br>
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In other words, according to practopoiesis, biological systems
are largely driven and controlled internally, rather then being
driven by sensory inputs. This allows the internal systms to
exhibit intelligence, language, etc. without specific sensory
inputs.<br>
<br>
Of course, we need some inputs in order to learn about the world
and develop the internal systems. But it does not matter which
inputs as long as the ones that we have access too are informative
enough about the environment.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Danko<br>
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On 3/14/14 2:40 AM, Brian J Mingus wrote:<br>
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<div>Theories of the brain will come in at multiple levels of
abstraction. A reasonable first pass is to take object
recognition as a given. It's clear that language and general
intelligence doesn't require it. Hellen Keller is a great
example - deaf and blind, and with patience, extremely
intelligent. Visual and auditory object recognition simply
aren't required! </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 13, 2014 at 6:38 PM, Juyang
Weng <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu" target="_blank">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>></span>
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Good attempt.<br>
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Any theory about brain/mind must address the First
Principle: How it learns visual invariance directly from
natural cluttered environments.<br>
Your article does not seem to address the First Principle,
does it?<br>
<br>
-John
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On 3/7/14 11:22 AM, Danko Nikolic wrote:<br>
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I believe that the readers of Connectionists list my be
interested in the manuscript available on arXiv
(1402.5332) proposing the principles by which adaptive
systems create intelligent behavior. It is a theoretical
paper that has been recently submitted to a journal, and
the editors agreed to post it on arXiv.<br>
<br>
A nice context for this manuscript is, I think, the
recent discussion on Connectionists list on "how the
brain works?", -- including the comparison to how the
radio works, arguments that neuroscience has not reached
the maturity of 19th century physics, that the
development should be an essential component, etc.<br>
<br>
I assess that anyone who enjoyed following that
discussion, like I did, would be interested also in what
the proposed theory has to say.<br>
<br>
The theory addresses those problems by placing the
question of brain workings one level more abstract than
it is usually discussed: It proposes a general set of
properties that adaptive systems need to have to exhibit
intelligent behavior (nevertheless, concrete examples
are given from biology and technology). Finally, the
theory proposes what is, in principle, missing in the
current approaches in order to account for the higher,
biological-like levels of adaptive behavior.<br>
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For those who are interested, I recommend using the link
on my website:<br>
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href="http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis/"
target="_blank">http://www.danko-nikolic.com/practopoiesis/</a><br>
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because there I provided, in addition, a simplified
introduction into some of the main conclusions derived
from the theory.<br>
<br>
I would very much like to know what people think.
Comments will be appreciated.<br>
<br>
With warm greetings from Germany,<br>
<br>
Danko Nikolic<br>
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