<p dir="ltr">Hey, I am happy when our taxpayer money, of which I contribute way more than I get back, funds any science in all branches of the government.  </p>
<p dir="ltr">Neuromorphic and brain-like computing is on the rise ... Let's please not shoot ourselves in the foot with in-fighting!!</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks,<br>
Ralph's Android</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 24, 2014 4:13 PM, "Juyang Weng" <<a href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">

  
    
  
  <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
    Yes, Gary, you are correct politically, not to upset the "emperor"
    since he is always right and he never falls behind the literature. 
    <br>
    <br>
    But then no clear message can ever get across.   Falling behind the
    literature is still the fact.  More, the entire research community
    that does brain research falls behind badly the literature of
    necessary disciplines.  The current U.S. infrastructure of this
    research community does not fit at all the brain subject it
    studies!  This is not a joking matter.  We need to wake up, please.
    <br>
    <br>
    Azriel Rosenfeld criticized the entire computer vision filed in his
    invited talk at CVPR during early 1980s: "just doing business as
    usual" and "more or less the same" .   However, the entire computer
    vision field still has not woken up after 30 years!   As another
    example, I respect your colleague Terry Sejnowski, but I must openly
    say that I object to his "we need more data" as the key message for
    the U.S. BRAIN Project.  This is another example of "just doing
    business as usual" and so everybody will not be against you.    <br>
    <br>
    Several major disciplines are closely related to the brain, but the
    scientific community is still very much fragmented, not willing to
    wake up.  Some of our government officials only say superficial
    worlds like "Big Data" because we like to hear.   This cost is too
    high for our taxpayers. <br>
    <br>
    -John   <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 1/24/14 2:19 PM, Gary Cottrell
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      
      
      
      
      Hi John -
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>It's great that you have an over-arching theory, but if you
        want people to read it, it would be better not to disrespect
        people in your emails. You say you respect Matthew, but then you
        accuse him of falling behind in the literature because he hasn't
        read your book. Politeness (and modesty!) will get you much
        farther than the tone you have taken.</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>g.</div>
      <div><br>
        <div>
          <div>On Jan 24, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Juyang Weng <<a href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu" target="_blank">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>>
            wrote:</div>
          <br>
          <blockquote type="cite">
            
            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear Matthew:<br>
              <br>
              My apology if my words are direct, so that people with
              short attention spans can quickly get my points.  I do
              respect you.<br>
              <br>
              You wrote: "to build hardware that works in a more
              brain-like way than conventional computers do.  This is
              not what is usually meant by research in neural networks."<br>
              <br>
              Your statement is absolutely not true.  Your term
              "brain-like way" is as old as "brain-like computing". 
              Read about the 14 neurocomputers built by 1988 in Robert
              Hecht-Nielsen, "Neurocomputing: picking the human brain",
              IEEE Spectrum 25(3), March 1988, pp. 36-41.  Hardware will
              not solve the fundamental problems of the current human
              severe lack in understanding the brain, no matter how many
              computers are linked together.  Neither will the current
              "Big Data" fanfare from NSF in U.S..  The IBM's brain
              project has similar fundamental flaws and the IBM team
              lacks key experts.  <br>
              <br>
              Some of the NSF managers have been turning blind eyes to
              breakthrough work on brain modeling for over a decade, but
              they want to waste more taxpayer's money into its "Big
              Data" fanfare and other "try again" fanfares.  It is a
              scientific shame for NSF in a developed country like U.S.
              to do that shameful politics without real science, causing
              another large developing country like China to also echo
              "Big Data".  "Big Data" was called "Large Data", well
              known in Pattern Recognition for many years.  Stop playing
              shameful politics in science!  <br>
              <br>
              You wrote: "Nobody is claiming a `brain-scale theory that
              bridges the wide gap,' or even close." <br>
              <br>
              To say that, you have not read the book: <a href="http://www.brain-mind-institute.org/press.html" target="_blank">Natural
                and Artificial Intelligence</a>.  You are falling behind
              the literature so bad as some of our NSF project
              managers.  With their lack of knowledge, they did not
              understand that the "bridge" was in print on their desks
              and in the literature.     <br>
              <br>
              -John<br>
              <br>
              <div>On 1/23/14 6:15 PM, Matthew
                Cook wrote:<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote type="cite">Dear John,
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I think all of us on this list are interested in
                  brain-like computing, so I don't understand your
                  negativity on the topic.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Many of the speakers are involved in efforts to
                  build hardware that works in a more brain-like way
                  than conventional computers do.  This is not what is
                  usually meant by research in neural networks.  I
                  suspect the phrase "brain-like computing" is intended
                  as an umbrella term that can cover all of these
                  efforts.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>I think you are reading far more into the
                  announcement than is there.  Nobody is claiming a
                  "brain-scale theory that bridges the wide gap," or
                  even close.  To the contrary, the announcement is very
                  cautious, saying that intense research is "gradually
                  increasing our understanding" and "beginning to shed
                  light on the human brain".  In other words, the
                  research advances slowly, and we are at the beginning.
                   There is certainly no claim that any of the speakers
                  has finished the job.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Similarly, the announcement refers to "successful
                  demonstration of some of the underlying principles [of
                  the brain] in software and hardware", which implicitly
                  acknowledges that we do not have all the principles.
                   There is nothing like a claim that anyone has enough
                  principles to "explain highly integrated brain
                  functions".</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>You are concerned that this workshop will avoid the
                  essential issue of the wide gap between neuron-like
                  computing and highly integrated brain functions.  What
                  makes you think it will avoid this?  We are all
                  interested in filling this gap, and the speakers
                  (well, the ones who I know) all either work on this,
                  or work on supporting people who work on this, or
                  both.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>This looks like it will be a very nice workshop,
                  with talks from leaders in the field on a variety of
                  topics, and I wish I were able to attend it.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Matthew</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div><br>
                  <div>
                    <div>On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:08 PM, Juyang Weng wrote:</div>
                    <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">
                      
                      <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear
                        Anders,<br>
                        <br>
                        Interesting topic about the brain!  But
                        Brain-Like Computing is misleading because
                        neural networks have been around for at least 70
                        years.<br>
                        <br>
                        I quote: "We are now approaching the point when
                        our knowledge will enable successful
                        demonstrations of some of the underlying
                        principles in software and hardware, i.e.
                        brain-like computing."<br>
                        <br>
                        What are the underlying principles?  I am
                        concerned that projects like "Brain-Like
                        Computing" avoid essential issues: <br>
                        the wide gap between neuron-like computing and
                        well-known highly integrated brain functions.<br>
                        Continuing this avoidance would again create bad
                        names for "brain-like computing", just such
                        behaviors did for "neural networks".<br>
                        <br>
                        Henry Markram criticized IBM's brain project
                        which does miss essential brain principles, but
                        has he published such principles?<br>
                        Modeling individual neurons more and more
                        precisely will explain highly integrated brain
                        functions?   From what I know, definitely not,
                        by far. <br>
                        <br>
                        Has any of your 10 speakers published any
                        brain-scale theory that bridges the wide gap? 
                        Are you aware of any such published theories? <br>
                        <br>
                        I am sorry for giving a CC to the list, but many
                        on the list said that they like to hear
                        discussions instead of just event announcements.
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        -John<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <div>On 1/13/14 12:14
                          PM, Anders Lansner wrote:<br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote type="cite">
                          
                          
                          
                          <div>
                            <h1 style="background:white"><span lang="EN">Workshop

                                on Brain-Like Computing, February 5-6
                                2014<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
                            <p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN">The
                                exciting prospects of developing
                                brain-like information processing is one
                                of the Deans Forum focus areas.<br>
                                As a means to encourage progress in this
                                research area a Workshop is arranged
                                February 5th-6th 2014 on KTH campus in
                                Stockholm. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN">The
                                human brain excels over contemporary
                                computers and robots in processing
                                real-time unstructured information and
                                uncertain data as well as in controlling
                                a complex mechanical platform with
                                multiple degrees of freedom like the
                                human body. Intense experimental
                                research complemented by computational
                                and informatics efforts are gradually
                                increasing our understanding of
                                underlying processes and mechanisms in
                                small animal and mammalian brains and
                                are beginning to shed light on the human
                                brain. We are now approaching the point
                                when our knowledge will enable
                                successful demonstrations of some of the
                                underlying principles in software and
                                hardware, i.e. brain-like computing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN">This
                                workshop assembles experts, from the
                                partners and also other leading names in
                                the field, to provide an overview of the
                                state-of-the-art in theoretical,
                                software, and hardware aspects of
                                brain-like computing.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <h2 style="background:white"><span lang="EN">List
                                of speakers<u></u><u></u></span></h2>
                            <table style="width:303.0pt;border-collapse:collapse" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="404">
                              <tbody>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Speaker</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Affiliation</span></strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Giacomo
                                        Indiveri</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">ETH
                                        Zürich</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Abigail
                                        Morrison</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Forschungszentrum

                                        Jülich</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Mark
                                        Ritter</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">IBM
                                        Watson Research Center</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Guillermo
                                        Cecchi</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">IBM
                                        Watson Research Center</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Anders
                                        Lansner</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US">KTH Royal Institute
                                        of Technology</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Ahmed
                                        Hemani</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US">KTH Royal Institute
                                        of Technology</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Steve
                                        Furber</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">University
                                        of Manchester</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Kazuyuki
                                        Aihara</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">University
                                        of Tokyo</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Karlheinz
                                        Meier</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Heidelberg

                                        University</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                </tr>
                                <tr style="height:15.75pt">
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Andreas
                                        Schierwagen</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                                  </td>
                                  <td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm;height:15.75pt">
                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">Leipzig
                                        University</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN">For signing up to the
                                  Workshop please use the registration
                                  form found at <u><a href="http://bit.ly/1dkuBgR" target="_blank"><span style="font-weight:normal">http://bit.ly/1dkuBgR</span></a><u></u><u></u></u></span></strong></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:normal" lang="EN">You need to sign up before
                                  January 28<sup>th</sup>.<u></u><u></u></span></strong></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";font-weight:normal" lang="EN">Web page: <a href="http://www.kth.se/en/om/internationellt/university-networks/deans-forum/workshop-on-brain-like-computing-1.442038" target="_blank">http://www.kth.se/en/om/internationellt/university-networks/deans-forum/workshop-on-brain-like-computing-1.442038</a>
                                </span></strong><b><span lang="EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
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                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">******************************************<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Anders Lansner<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Professor in Computer
                                Science, Computational biology<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">School of Computer Science
                                and Communication<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Stockholm University and
                                Royal Institute of Technology (KTH)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><span><a href="mailto:ala@kth.se" target="_blank"><span style="color:blue">ala@kth.se</span></a>,
                                <a href="tel:%2B46-70-2166122" value="+46702166122" target="_blank">+46-70-2166122</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
                            <p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
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                                  <p style="color:#3d4d5a;font-family:"Calibri","Verdana","Arial","Helvetica";font-size:12pt"> Detta
                                    epostmeddelande innehåller inget
                                    virus eller annan skadlig kod för <a href="http://www.avast.com/" target="_blank">avast!

                                      Antivirus</a> är aktivt. </p>
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                        <pre cols="72">-- 
--
Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824 USA
Tel: <a href="tel:517-353-4388" value="+15173534388" target="_blank">517-353-4388</a>
Fax: <a href="tel:517-432-1061" value="+15174321061" target="_blank">517-432-1061</a>
Email: <a href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu" target="_blank">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>
URL: <a href="http://www.cse.msu.edu/%7Eweng/" target="_blank">http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/</a>
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              <br>
              <pre cols="72">-- 
--
Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824 USA
Tel: <a href="tel:517-353-4388" value="+15173534388" target="_blank">517-353-4388</a>
Fax: <a href="tel:517-432-1061" value="+15174321061" target="_blank">517-432-1061</a>
Email: <a href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu" target="_blank">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>
URL: <a href="http://www.cse.msu.edu/%7Eweng/" target="_blank">http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/</a>
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        <div>
          <div>
            <div>[I am in Dijon, France on sabbatical this year. To call
              me, Skype works best (gwcottrell), or dial <a href="tel:%2B33%20788319271" value="+33788319271" target="_blank">+33 788319271</a>]</div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Gary Cottrell
              <a href="tel:858-534-6640" value="+18585346640" target="_blank">858-534-6640</a> FAX: <a href="tel:858-534-7029" value="+18585347029" target="_blank">858-534-7029</a></div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">My schedule is
              here: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/b7gxpwo" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/b7gxpwo</a></div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
              Computer Science and Engineering 0404</div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">IF USING FED EX
              INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING LINE:      <br>
              CSE Building, Room 4130<br>
              University of California San Diego<br>
              9500 Gilman Drive # 0404<br>
              La Jolla, Ca. 92093-0404<br>
              <span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua';font-size:1.2em;font-style:oblique"><br>
              </span></div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">Things may come
              to those who wait, but only the things left by those who
              hustle. <span style="font-family:'Book Antiqua';font-size:1.2em;font-style:oblique">-- Abraham
                Lincoln</span></div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">"Of course, none
              of this will be easy. If it was, we would already
              know everything there was about how the brain works, and
              presumably my life would be simpler here. It could
              explain all kinds of things that go on in Washington."
              -Barack Obama</div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">"Probably once or
              twice a week we are sitting at dinner and Richard says,
              'The cortex is hopeless,' and I say, 'That's why I work on
              the worm.'" Dr. Bargmann said.<br>
              <br>
              "A grapefruit is a lemon that saw an opportunity and took
              advantage of it." - note written on a door in Amsterdam on
              Lijnbaansgracht.<br>
              <br>
              "Physical reality is great, but it has a lousy search
              function." -Matt Tong<br>
              <br>
              "Only connect!" -E.M. Forster<br>
              <br>
              "You always have to believe that tomorrow you might write
              the matlab program that solves everything - otherwise you
              never will." -Geoff Hinton</div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word"><br>
            </div>
            <div style="word-wrap:break-word">"There is nothing
              objective about objective functions" - Jay McClelland<br>
              <br>
              "I am awaiting the day when people remember the fact that
              discovery does not work by deciding what you want and then
              discovering it."<br>
              -David Mermin<br>
              <br>
              Email: <a href="mailto:gary@ucsd.edu" target="_blank">gary@ucsd.edu</a><br>
              Home page: <a href="http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/%7Egary/" target="_blank">http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/~gary/</a></div>
          </div>
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    <br>
    <pre cols="72">-- 
--
Juyang (John) Weng, Professor
Department of Computer Science and Engineering
MSU Cognitive Science Program and MSU Neuroscience Program
428 S Shaw Ln Rm 3115
Michigan State University
East Lansing, MI 48824 USA
Tel: <a href="tel:517-353-4388" value="+15173534388" target="_blank">517-353-4388</a>
Fax: <a href="tel:517-432-1061" value="+15174321061" target="_blank">517-432-1061</a>
Email: <a href="mailto:weng@cse.msu.edu" target="_blank">weng@cse.msu.edu</a>
URL: <a href="http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/" target="_blank">http://www.cse.msu.edu/~weng/</a>
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