From Wolfgang.Schoppek at uni-bayreuth.de Thu Mar 21 12:15:25 2024 From: Wolfgang.Schoppek at uni-bayreuth.de (Schoppek, Wolfgang) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2024 16:15:25 +0000 Subject: [ACT-R-users] Motor module for piano keyboard? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> Dear All, I am wondering if anybody has adapted or extended ACT-R's motor (and vision) module to handle playing on a piano keyboard with several fingers simultaneously? I am currently modeling the cognitive aspects of improvising figured bass lines (a musical technique from the baroque period). I would be interested in extending the model to the visual/motor aspects of that skill. Any hints are welcome! Regards, Wolfgang Schoppek Senior Lecturer in Psychology Univerity of Bayreuth, Germany https://www.psychologie.uni-bayreuth.de/de/team/wolfgang-schoppek/index.php -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From db30 at andrew.cmu.edu Mon Mar 25 14:49:27 2024 From: db30 at andrew.cmu.edu (Dan Bothell) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2024 14:49:27 -0400 Subject: [ACT-R-users] Motor module for piano keyboard? In-Reply-To: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> References: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> Message-ID: I don't know of any motor extensions specific to piano playing, but there are some extensions that I know of which may be useful as examples to help developing such actions. Included with the ACT-R software are two sets of motor extensions in the extras directory. The extended-motor-actions directory contains ones that were built here at CMU for use in playing video games. That includes providing separate execution stages for the hands (so they can be more independent), updating the finger actions to have both a press and release event, new hold and release actions, and a timed hold that will press a finger and then release it after a specified amount of time passes. The act-touch directory contains extensions developed by Frank Tamborello at Cogscent, LLC for using touch screen interfaces. That has actions which involve multiple fingers being used simultaneously: swiping, pinching, and rotating. Another extension that may be useful is the periodic tapping extension by Pierre Gianferrara. It's described in this paper: Gianferrara, P. G., Betts, S., Bothell, D., & Anderson, J. R. (2021). Simulating human periodic tapping and implications for cognitive models. In T. C. Stewart (Ed.), Proceedings of the 19th international conference on cognitive modeling (pp. 87?93). Applied Cognitive Science Lab, Penn State available here: https://iccm-conference.neocities.org/2021/papers/570.pdf However, I don't see the code included with that. The code can be found here: https://doi.org/10.1184/R1/21599775.v2 with the files for this paper: Gianferrara, P. G., Betts, S. A., & Anderson, J. R. (2024). Periodic tapping mechanisms of skill learning in a fast-paced video game. Journal of Experimental Psychology: Human Perception and Performance, 50(1), 39?63. https://doi.org/10.1037/xhp0001178 Hope that helps, Dan On Thu, Mar 21, 2024 at 12:27?PM Schoppek, Wolfgang < Wolfgang.Schoppek at uni-bayreuth.de> wrote: > Dear All, > > I am wondering if anybody has adapted or extended ACT-R's motor (and > vision) module to handle playing on a piano keyboard with several fingers > simultaneously? I am currently modeling the cognitive aspects of > improvising figured bass lines (a musical technique from the baroque > period). I would be interested in extending the model to the visual/motor > aspects of that skill. Any hints are welcome! > > Regards, > > Wolfgang Schoppek > > > Senior Lecturer in Psychology > > Univerity of Bayreuth, Germany > > https://www.psychologie.uni-bayreuth.de/de/team/wolfgang-schoppek/index.php > > > _______________________________________________ > ACT-R-users mailing list > ACT-R-users at act-r.psy.cmu.edu > https://mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/act-r-users > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Wolfgang.Schoppek at uni-bayreuth.de Wed Mar 27 07:11:17 2024 From: Wolfgang.Schoppek at uni-bayreuth.de (Schoppek, Wolfgang) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 11:11:17 +0000 Subject: [ACT-R-users] Motor module for piano keyboard? In-Reply-To: <243D16B9-BC6A-4028-8C0E-BC5EC4BAFD4F@gmail.com> References: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> <8C94A73A-A5E3-4064-B917-07BEF6C9BCCD@cunet.carleton.ca>, <243D16B9-BC6A-4028-8C0E-BC5EC4BAFD4F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9cc596c25ba34535982652de93046cda@uni-bayreuth.de> Thank you all for your valuable hints! I will follow them within the next few days. Wolfgang ________________________________ Von: Bruno Emond Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. M?rz 2024 12:06 An: Robert West Cc: Schoppek, Wolfgang; act-r-users at act-r.psy.cmu.edu Betreff: Re: [ACT-R-users] Motor module for piano keyboard? Thank you Robert. Yes I am on the list :-) I had responded privately to Wolfgang. Here is the reference to the paper for those who might be interested. Emond, B., & Comeau, G. (2013). Cognitive modelling of early music reading skill acquisition for piano: A comparison of the Middle-C and Intervallic methods. Cognitive Systems Research, 24, 26?34. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cogsys.2012.12.007 Bruno On Mar 26, 2024, at 21:41, Robert West > wrote: Bruno Emond did some work on ACT-R piano playing, not sure if it?s what you need but I copied him on this in case he?s not on the list R Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Schoppek, Wolfgang > wrote: ? [External Email] Dear All, I am wondering if anybody has adapted or extended ACT-R's motor (and vision) module to handle playing on a piano keyboard with several fingers simultaneously? I am currently modeling the cognitive aspects of improvising figured bass lines (a musical technique from the baroque period). I would be interested in extending the model to the visual/motor aspects of that skill. Any hints are welcome! Regards, Wolfgang Schoppek Senior Lecturer in Psychology Univerity of Bayreuth, Germany https://www.psychologie.uni-bayreuth.de/de/team/wolfgang-schoppek/index.php This email contains links to content or websites. 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In-Reply-To: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> References: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> Message-ID: <8C94A73A-A5E3-4064-B917-07BEF6C9BCCD@cunet.carleton.ca> Bruno Emond did some work on ACT-R piano playing, not sure if it?s what you need but I copied him on this in case he?s not on the list R Sent from my iPhone On Mar 21, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Schoppek, Wolfgang wrote: ? [External Email] Dear All, I am wondering if anybody has adapted or extended ACT-R's motor (and vision) module to handle playing on a piano keyboard with several fingers simultaneously? I am currently modeling the cognitive aspects of improvising figured bass lines (a musical technique from the baroque period). I would be interested in extending the model to the visual/motor aspects of that skill. Any hints are welcome! 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In-Reply-To: <8C94A73A-A5E3-4064-B917-07BEF6C9BCCD@cunet.carleton.ca> References: <2d655c1dee1c4e539b77fde6d943e1ab@uni-bayreuth.de> <8C94A73A-A5E3-4064-B917-07BEF6C9BCCD@cunet.carleton.ca> Message-ID: <243D16B9-BC6A-4028-8C0E-BC5EC4BAFD4F@gmail.com> Thank you Robert. Yes I am on the list :-) I had responded privately to Wolfgang. Here is the reference to the paper for those who might be interested. Emond, B., & Comeau, G. (2013). Cognitive modelling of early music reading skill acquisition for piano: A comparison of the Middle-C and Intervallic methods. Cognitive Systems Research, 24, 26?34. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cogsys.2012.12.007 Bruno > On Mar 26, 2024, at 21:41, Robert West wrote: > > Bruno Emond did some work on ACT-R piano playing, not sure if it?s what you need but I copied him on this in case he?s not on the list > > R > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 21, 2024, at 9:28 AM, Schoppek, Wolfgang > wrote: >> >> ? >> [External Email] >> Dear All, >> >> I am wondering if anybody has adapted or extended ACT-R's motor (and vision) module to handle playing on a piano keyboard with several fingers simultaneously? I am currently modeling the cognitive aspects of improvising figured bass lines (a musical technique from the baroque period). I would be interested in extending the model to the visual/motor aspects of that skill. Any hints are welcome! >> >> Regards, >> >> Wolfgang Schoppek >> >> >> >> Senior Lecturer in Psychology >> >> Univerity of Bayreuth, Germany >> >> https://www.psychologie.uni-bayreuth.de/de/team/wolfgang-schoppek/index.php >> >> >> This email contains links to content or websites. Always be cautious when opening external links or attachments. >> >> Please visit https://carleton.ca/its/help-centre/report-phishing/ for information on reporting phishing messages. >> >> When in doubt, the ITS Service Desk can provide assistance. https://carleton.ca/its/chat >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ACT-R-users mailing list >> ACT-R-users at act-r.psy.cmu.edu >> https://mailman.srv.cs.cmu.edu/mailman/listinfo/act-r-users -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: